“Where language fades into cries or whispers”: an interview with Medbh McGuckian

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Medbh McGuckian’s new selected, The Unfixed Horizon, contains over 130 poems from 14 collections. In honor of its publication, McGuckian talked to WFU Press interns Alex Muller and Shannon Magee about the concoction of angels, controlling the flow of time, and the virtue of poetry’s gentle intellect.

WFU Press: In putting together this new selected, we’ve been able to track how some of your poems have changed as they’ve been printed in new editions over the years. When do you know a poem is finished? Is it ever finished, or does it remain to some extent in flux? How do you view revision at this point in your career?

McGuckian: I think the revisions are very minor and unimportant, I do not change things much. Clarity seems to me not something I am worried about at this stage, if clarity is ever to be expected. My poems now fall between the two stools I’ve always drifted towards: obscurity when I am not sure what I want to say or mean, and flat matter-of-factness when I want to instruct the reader on something plain and obvious. I write a lot of found poems which have that exactness to them, but I prefer the winding intricacy of complicated narratives that don’t spell things out, that attempt to comprehend the vast unknown within which we learn to try to live and die. Poetry as an art form combines words that have not been juxtaposed before in order to startle the senses out of their apathy and experience something as if for the first time. I may be more open to revising when a book is to be created rather than when a poem is published on its own.

Do you write with the intent to defamiliarize the world around us, or is this something that poetry might inevitably do of its own accord?

I think the waking state is familiar and the dream state uncanny. Poetry is like a bridge between them. Yes, I do cling to all that is known or suggested, but then the strangeness [Robert] Frost speaks of rises and baffles. I don’t think I intend to make the world strange myself (as it already is) but just put feelers out into the ice over the river, which is exciting. Our normal language is not very thick with new thoughts. I refer a lot to angels, as they are poetic bridges we have perhaps concocted to help us explore the before and after of our lives.

In your poem “Harem Trousers,” you write that “A poem dreams of being written / without the pronoun ‘I’.” This pronoun has certainly been contended in contemporary poetry. Sometimes your poems seem to begin by locating the personal and conclude by displacing it. How do you view the “I” in poetry? How do you handle your personal life in your writing?

I think poetry (or poems, the actual writing of them, sometimes the reading of them) frees up something nothing else can reach for—during the time of it you become beyond death or fear it less, you incorporate its inevitability into the now and present moment, you don’t look forward to it, but you resist it less as a no-choice pathway. Poems (or my poems) weave in and out of this pattern the colour and taste of the sensory experience we are, as it were, trapped in, and they release from it through words that undo themselves into wordlessness. I was reading that there is no such thing as silence, but people try to create it through concentration without machines. The use of machines to write poetry is easy, but maybe it was better when we only had stones or slates to carve on. My personal life is in every poem since I wrote it at certain parameters of my time, say a week in June, say a morning in October, say at a particular stage, after a child, after a death. But to be too exactly personal is diary or journal and not memorable. There is no poetry in “I am sitting here, it is cold;” you need a worked-on, new narrative to explore back and forward, the past, the undetermined future. I suppose really time stops or you can control its passing as you control breath in yoga.

In a video interview you did with Donald Givans, you said “I don’t think poems can always be wonderful. You can put in poems that obviously aren’t all that brilliant and people will like to read those anyway because people are human.” How do you see the value of poetry, especially in the “minor” poems? And how do you know when you’ve written a really great poem?

I don’t think I have written a really great poem. It is impossible or difficult. But maybe if you read one again after many centuries and it covers that long ago experience, it would have been worth writing. I like, myself, poems that are gentle rather than arrogant intellectually, where language fades into cries or whispers. Something that loosens our fear of death, our ignorance of what comes after. Minor poems are breathing for the sake of it. A major poem could see us through a heart attack, maybe it is one. Most of what Paul Muldoon writes can be satisfying simply because of the fun in the rhymes, which he is so very clever at, so he always entertains like a circus.

What first inspired you to begin writing poetry? And have your inspirations changed?

Early in life I liked reading and composition at school. When I went to secondary school, they were always wanting poems for magazines. The Beatles’ songs, Bob Dylan, and Joan Baez’s folk music stirred my imagination. Then going to University there were lots of active poets about—men, of course—but Seamus Heaney did encourage me and read some of my work. When I got married and had children, I felt I had something new to say from that experience. Then, of course, there was responding to the terrible carnage of the Troubles, which was a difficult and reluctant kind of influence. My inspirations now are the dead Heaney still, the rocky peace, the deaths of loved ones, my illness, soon I hope new babies in the family, aging, still women’s lives, the threats to our survival, the weather and seasons, as always. The sea.


medbh-mcguckianMedbh McGuckian lives with her family in Belfast, where she was born, raised, and educated. She graduated from Queen’s University Belfast and was the first woman to be named writer-in-residence there. She now teaches creative writing at the Seamus Heaney Centre for Poetry.

She is the author of fifteen volumes, and among many awards, she has received the Eric Gregory Award, the Poetry Society’s Alice Hunt Bartlett Prize, the Rooney Prize for Irish Literature, the Denis Devlin Award, the American Ireland Fund Literary Award, and the Forward Prize.

Her newest volume, The Unfixed Horizon: New Selected Poems, is out this week.

 

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Poem of the Week: “The Sofa” by Medbh McGuckian

It’s been nearly two decades since we published the last selection of Medbh McGuckian’s work, and in that time she has written eight more volumes. Needless to say, it was time to re-visit this poet’s remarkable ouevre. Over the last several months as we prepared The Unfixed Horizon: New Selected Poems, it’s been a true delight to look closely again at these poems whose images stay with you, even as they transform and transfigure with each pass.

As the editors comment in their introduction to the work, McGuckian’s “unique poetic style renders her one of the most compelling voices in contemporary poetry in English. Her unusual method of composition, weaving together strands from various prose texts, turns her poems into strangely original, dreamlike creations, both haunted and haunting.” We’ve chosen an early poem from McGuckian’s ouevre to share with you today, and we hope you’ll come back to this blog on publication day, Dec. 4, when we’ll be sharing a new interview with the poet.

The Sofa

Do not be angry if I tell you
your letter stayed unopened on my table
for several days. If you were friend enough
to believe me, I was about to start writing
at any moment; my mind was savagely made up,
like a serious sofa moved
under a north window. My heart, alas,

is not the calmest of places.
Still it is not my heart that needs replacing:
and my books seem real enough to me,
my disasters, my surrenders, all my loss. . . .
Since I was child enough to forget
that you loathe poetry, you ask for some—
about nature, greenery, insects, and, of course,

the sun—surely that would be to open
an already open window? To celebrate
the impudence of flowers? If I could
interest you instead in his large, gentle stares,
how his soft shirt is the inside of pleasure
to me, why I must wear white for him,
imagine he no longer trembles

when I approach, no longer buys me
flowers for my name day. . . . But I spread
on like a house, I begin to scatter
to a tiny to-and-fro at odds
with the wear on my threshold. Somewhere
a curtain rising wonders where I am,
my books sleep, pretending to forget me.

Medbh McGuckianThe Unfixed Horizon: New Selected Poems (2015)

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Video Highlights from Ciaran Carson’s Wake Forest Reading

Last week, Ciaran Carson visited Wake Forest University and gave an enchanting reading on campus. He read from his latest collection, From Elsewhere, and played traditional Irish tunes with his wife, fiddler Deirdre Shannon. Watch the video below for highlights from this wonderful evening! And don’t skip the ending; one of the most special moments happened during the reception, when Ciaran and Deirdre played an impromptu session with local musicians Fred Lail and Mary Mondon.

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